mountain lions in new hampshire

So one thing I'll add. Patrick Tate: Yes. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. New Hampshire Public Radio | Peter Biello: Wow. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. Having not found any evidence is not the same as saying there are no mountain lions, its the same as saying we dont know. Can we go to the site. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. So it is possible to see male Mountain lions roam into the northeast - there was one hit by a car in CT a number of years back - but we don't have a breeding population of Mountain lions in New England. They are the same thing. Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. Patrick Tate: And there's one other way to model that is the same animal. 19 Part II. Seems reasonable! So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. The Eastern mountain lion is extinct in the eastern United States and Canada, but in 2011, a . Maps of Trapping Take by Town 1994 to 2004. Sam Evans-Brown: Pretty well I was going to say it is nice to hear about how to identify the facial markings but probably I'd being a to identify the tracks is probably the more useful useful tool that one can have in their tool box. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. So I don't understand really how how this this idea came to be but it is the main reason why folks believe that fishing game is is covering up the fact that there are mountain lions in the state again with no evidence. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. So they're scary. So hard to know hard to refute if there's no interest in making up a story which many people of course do then I would respond the same way as Pat did. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. nh.gov | privacy policy | accessibility policy And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. Yes and you want to share what you learned. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. The western mountain lion lives in a more of a grassland open area now so to blend in with a very lighted situation here in the Northeast we are very shadowy dark situation because of the forest and our cats wear a darker brownish reddish color than what they were and they were also smaller than what the western mountain lion is. They get a lot of media attention but compared to the the amount of times that a mountain lion could attack a person but doesn't because they don't typically view us as prey. Peter Biello: They make great mascots at least. WMUR uLocal: On this trail cam video, an unidentified feline is spotted. So we're fixated on natural but there's other possibilities. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her . I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. Course like Sue said you have to see it and it's not always that visible. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. But if people are still seeing mountain lions, why is the state and federal government seeking to COVER IT UP!? Have you seen one. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. Mountain lion or cat running across. And the cougar embodies that. So let's let's go to the phones. Listeners we'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this. "Of those three to five reports,. I think as Pat was saying you know 35 to 50 pounds on a male be reasonable range whereas mountain lions you're up to 100 110 maybe even 130 pounds on a big male. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all. The engineers Dan Colgan our senior producer is Allan Grimm. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. Love hearing these stories. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. So now what's going on. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. He says when youve got a mountain lion in town, its kinda obvious. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. And I I have this great text history of New Hampshire game and fir bears and I think by Helen Silver who used to work for fish and game and she sort of I kind eyes this animal in one of the quotes from 1892 stating that the catamaran was the most ferocious of all the wild beasts of New Hampshire his great size strength and agility of movement together with his formidable weapons rendered him the terror both of man and beast. There's no attraction. I'm Peter Biello. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. JavaScript must be enabled for some features to display properly. Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. Fish and Game then deny the evidence. This is not the same as saying that there has never been a mountain lion seen in New Hampshire. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. We actually have the largest subspecies of bobcat in the northern part of our state which they can get up to 40 and over 40 pounds which looks like an 80 pound the animal to visually and quite large. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center All exhibit and hiking trails are CLOSED for the season. So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. Yes. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. It's listed as population of least concern. Peter Biello: Well I want to ask Patrick about one of these stories a few years ago you had a story about someone who claimed to. Peter Biello: So Rick seems like you agree that the tail is a big giveaway whether or not it's a mountain lion Absolutely. Tate said that while a mountain lion sighting in New Hampshire isn't likely, it's not impossible. You need a permit to have that. From involving members in projects as local as cleaning up an area park or as far-reaching as bringing sight to the world's blind, Lions clubs have always . We are the second most-forested state in the country, and those forests can be impenetrable snarls (part of why the Northeast is notoriously a difficult place to hunt deer), and while there are people in a lot of those woods, because the cats have been absent for a few generations now, most of those people dont know what a cougar scrape or latrine look and smell like. support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. The exchange is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio. Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. It all used to be based on measurable physical traits color, skull size, paw size, etc but now its based on whether an animal can be shown to be genetically distinct from others. So give us a call now. Chartered 1973; Member of District 44-H; . 235 or nhandy@ledgertranscript.com. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. Fear for others and those two polarizing opinions on the situation is what I believe brings out mystique and Sam you know I take kind of a long view on this. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. Caller: Oh hi. Peter Biello: Hmm. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. Administrative Links. So Michael follows with the question. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called "Wild Cats of New Hampshire," which included the bobcat and the lynx. Your support makes this news available to everyone. Do cougars live in New England? And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. Does not test random Scouts. We'd love to have you in the queue. We mentioned that one cat that was hit by a car where it has it that it was a male looking for me. This is the exchange. So before we get to the the the the stories of sightings we're getting a lot of calls. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. Mountain lions can be found throughout Arizona, and data suggests the populations are not only stable, but growing. But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. Rick shaking his head so Rick now correct me please. And those are not the same things. Okay. Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. It was in the spring flash kind of early summer and my wife looked at you look at the size of an adult bear and we were up in arms. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. Reports without physical evidence are not dismissed, however Fish and Game cannot verify a sighting report without physical evidence. I mean it wasn't your idea. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. Patrick Tate: My line being a large predator a cat watch ambush his prey animal that hasn't been. Many people in New Hampshire have claimed to have seen mountain lions. She was having a garden party on her back porch and everybody in the party saw this mountain lion across the field down below the porch. Really appreciate it. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. I'm gonna send you a letter that we researched this report and we spoke with those labs and the lab wrote in their letter to us that they could only say that Scott contained white Tea Party fur and that they could not say what deposited the scout because it's far too degraded listeners we'd love to hear from you about your mountain lion sightings if you have seen one or if you if you think you have give us a call we'd love to hear your story 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. for some excitement. 44-H Links. Reviewing the evidence, the U.S. Do you get a lot of these these these things that end up being hoaxes. Mountain lions ( Puma concolor) are one of the six native species of wild cats in North America. And here we're talking about in this situation we're talking about it migrated from the West. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. He writes As a farmer I come across many outdoorsman looking to hunt our property had a conversation with one who believed very strongly that we had mountain lions in New Hampshire. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. But you've done some reporting on this. Mike thanks for your call. The term is because mascots notwithstanding right that they're referred to with a lot of different terms and sometimes they can be confused with a lot of different terms. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests. There's never, ever, ever, ever been a documented case of a black mountain lion. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. NH Fish and Game relies on physical evidence to answer questions about the presence or absence of mountain lion in the state. We're not in the woods. BUT THAT SAID, Id love to be proven wrong. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. Rick your thoughts. Are there Mountain Lions in NH? Peter Biello: Well yeah. So so. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. Caller: Oh yeah. Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s. Give today. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. Yeah I did. There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. And those and that's how you can go from a story that Pat says I have nothing to say about that to a story that you know could be the first verified sighting in over 100 years. Today, their range stretches from the Yukon Territory in Canada along the western coast of the United States, all the way to the Southern Andes in Chile. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. Id like to hazard the explanation that we really, really want to see a mountain lion. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. About Lions. As far as I could tell there was a positive DNA sequence coming from the scat sample Patrick. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. Here it is. DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. Or years or so. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. So it's there was no question in my mind. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. And it was you know 10 or 12 people saw it all at once. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Thanks for taking my call. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. And it was unmistakable. From came from out west they tracked it all the way back to the Black Hills in the Dakotas.

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